Topic: Graupner ist-L steam engine (Read 10207 times)

Ilcapitano · « **on:** January 16, 2009, 07:10:29 pm »

good day fellow builders,

Has any one any experience of the graupner ist-L steam engine? Here is link to it : https://shop.graupner.de/webuerp/servlet/AI?ARTN=1940.

I have not desided yet which model I going to build around the engine. Not even if it tug or river launch.
Just wanted to know if this engine is like Wilesco or closer to known high quality engines like Saito or Monahan etc?

In Germany I found it for 415 euros.

With best regards
Ilcapitano

Ilcapitano · « **Reply #1 on:** January 17, 2009, 02:27:15 pm »

Hi,

I got some info about Graupner Ist-L from distributor in Finland: Graupner has moved the manufacturing of this engine to Belarussia and quality has gone down. Basicly the engine has potential, but building quality needs improvement.

brgds
Ilcapitano

Bunkerbarge · « **Reply #2 on:** January 17, 2009, 03:21:31 pm »

Many thanks for the feedback and the info. I have never come across one of these engines before so always good to learn from someone else's research.

Have a look through the steam posts on here there are a lot of references to various engines from sinple oscilators to complex slide valve units and even 'V' fours, if you see one to like the look of then ask a few questions and we may be able to help you decise on the right one for you.

If you fancy putting one together yourself but don't have machining capabilities then the TVR1 is an excellent choice and saves you a bit of money as well.

Ilcapitano · « **Reply #3 on:** January 17, 2009, 08:31:56 pm »

Thanks Bunkerbarge,

I'm probably going for regner kompakt or midi. Here are the links:
kompakt: http://www.regner-dampftechnik.de/aktuelles/neuheiten2005/dampfm_kompakt.php
midi: http://www.regner-dampftechnik.de/aktuelles/neuheiten2005/dampfm_midi.php

And the model is going to be one of the following Model Slipways Envoy or Assurance, or Deans marines Christiaan Bruning.

brgds
Ilcapitano

Bunkerbarge · « **Reply #4 on:** January 17, 2009, 10:16:23 pm »

I have a Slipway's Envoy and really enjoy sailing it. The first time I put it on the water I came second in a steering competition. it is so manoeuvrable and easy to steer.

Ilcapitano · « **Reply #5 on:** January 18, 2009, 05:21:08 pm »

Hi,

Good to know, thanks!

Ilcapitano · « **Reply #6 on:** January 20, 2009, 07:19:56 pm »

Good evening,

I have made my choice: Christian Bruning from Deans and Regner's Kompakt engine. Both have been ordered.
Deans Marine replied my email the next day. I Emailed them on sunday so on monday I received repons. Exellent so far.
Also Regner replied with same rate. Their website is in German only, but I managed to make order and sent email to confirm order, since my German is bad.
They replied in exellent English. It seems that they start manufacturing engines as order comes in. They told me that as soon as engine was ready they'll email the invoice and ship the parcel.

brgds
Ilcapitano

Bunkerbarge · « **Reply #7 on:** January 20, 2009, 10:34:56 pm »

I'm sure it will be interesting to hear your thoughts on the engine when you get it and a steam build thread is always well worth having!

Ilcapitano · « **Reply #8 on:** January 21, 2009, 07:08:19 pm »

Evening,

I'll keep you posted.

Ilcapitano · « **Reply #9 on:** January 30, 2009, 02:01:33 pm »

Hello,

Christiaan brunings arrived and it looks great! The engine will be shipped on monday.

Great service from both Regner and Deans Marine.

Photo attached.
I'll try to keep some kind of build log.

Proteus · « **Reply #10 on:** January 30, 2009, 02:11:32 pm »

The Christian Bruning is a really good hull for steam good displacement straight shaft at the right hight and BAGS of room , you can virtually climb in to sort things,think about the odd bulkhead so you can separate the radio gear from the damp steam ..

nice combo don't forget to keep taking pictures and to run the engine in on the bench, gives you a chance to get use to operating it.

Proteus

Ilcapitano · « **Reply #11 on:** February 05, 2009, 10:29:20 am »

Hello,

Still haven't received the engine. Waiting for answer to my request from Regner. They are using UPS to send goods. I paid 15Euros for delivery from Germany to Finland.

Ship is getting along. Here are some pictures attached.

Ilcapitano · « **Reply #12 on:** February 06, 2009, 08:25:15 pm »

Evening,

Model quality is ok. Plans could be better, but still they are usefull.
I desided to make deck from mahogany strips, but it will be done after I receive my engine from Regner.

Paint for the hull is going to be two component paint made for real fiberclass boats. Marine red, black and white. I'll paint the boat with brush to get a bit more "scale" finnish into it. If needed I'll sand surfaces after painting with some 800-1000 paper to take the shine off.

Has any one here got anything from Regner? I have paid for everything but after payment I have not been able to get them on the phone. Nor have they replied to my inquieries. I'm a little bit concerned.

Archibald H. · « **Reply #13 on:** February 07, 2009, 09:37:21 am »

Hi, I've ordered stuff from Regner and it always arrived. I'm sure Regner is a thrustworthy cy. Maybe the delay is with UPS. Do you have a tracking number? Maybe you can contact UPS . . . ? Anyway, it looks like your steam driven Christiaan Brunings is something to look forward to. I'm very curious indeed . . .
Cheerz, A!H.

Ilcapitano · « **Reply #14 on:** February 07, 2009, 10:58:29 am »

Thanks for reply!
I also have strong beleive that Regner will deliver, but one always has some concern when ordering for the first time.

Sorry that my "build log" is not very consistent, but when building I tend to forget to take pictures.

Some work still to do even though engine has not arrived, but soon I'm in the position that nothing can be done with out engine.

btw, how long delivery times you've had with regner?

Archibald H. · « **Reply #15 on:** February 07, 2009, 10:36:16 pm »

Delivery usually took about a week after payment.
Grtz, A!H.

Ilcapitano · « **Reply #16 on:** February 13, 2009, 01:13:46 pm »

Hi,

Regner Kompakt will be here 17.2.

Here is picture of one wall of the superstructure (not finnished yet

). The door I'll make from plywood and make the "frames" from the same planks than wall. The door I'll leave closed and there won't be any hinges.
Im planking them with very thin wooden strips. The deck will be done with thicker and wider mahogany planks. Approximately same colour.
All the planks will be varnished (transparent).

Ian Robins · « **Reply #17 on:** February 15, 2009, 05:05:26 pm »

Hi all,
Please keep the photo's coming as I have recieved the brunnings kit and want to fit my puffin engine in it.

Question

What are you using to line the hull to protect from heat.

I intend to build my brunnings on simular lines to you, with as much wood as possible. This isnt my first deans marine kit so kit contents held no surprizes. although the instructions seem very basic or is it a easy build model.

Hope for more photos. should start mine by the end of the month.

good work

ro88o0

Ilcapitano · « **Reply #18 on:** February 16, 2009, 09:52:51 pm »

Evening,

Regner finally arrived, but it was certainly worth waiting for! Here are some photos. Package included some custom made tools for the engine, steam oil, water filling bottle, some extra seal rings. The quality was great. I run the engine for 10 minutes and it was smooth. It took maybe five minutes to get pressure to 2bars and at highest it was 3,2. I lost track of time beeing so exited...

Now just hard work to get it ready for Model expo in Helsinki. I'm going to take it there even if it is not finished.

I'm going to use this for heat insulation : http://www.biltema.fi/osteri/osteri.cgi?sivu=skriptisivut/index_kauppa.htm
It is normally user in real boats engine space insulation. I tryed to burn it with butane torch without success. So it should be ok. On one side is clue to attach it into the hull and the other its foil. In between insulation that I could not ignite with torch.

Proteus · « **Reply #19 on:** February 16, 2009, 10:25:24 pm »

Hi have you got a picture of the other side of the engine and does it come with a displacement lubricator, that should drive that hull nice by the way.

Proteus,

Bunkerbarge · « **Reply #20 on:** February 17, 2009, 08:23:44 am »

Very nice looking engine. It looks remarkably similar to the old Cheddar but using springs as opposed to the clamp arrangement for keeping the cylinder faces sealed. I have one of Bogstandard's similar sized engines, using the same method of sealing, and it works very smoothly right down to a very low speed.

Proteus · « **Reply #21 on:** February 17, 2009, 08:34:02 am »

It's the same as the Cheddar Plover, they brought it out a few years befor they shut up shop, a nice engine and runs well

Proteus

Ilcapitano · « **Reply #22 on:** February 18, 2009, 08:20:16 am »

Hello,

Here is picture from the other side. Yes, it comes with displacement lubricator and 100 ml of steam oil. Only thing I had to get to run it was distilled water and butane. And matches off course

. Not to mention 548 euros (533 for the engine+15 euros delivery) but it is well worth the money.

I'm planning to but the mahogany planks on it soon. ANY GOOD HINTS ABOUT THAT? (Btw the planks were allready cut in right lenght.)

My friend bought 10-15 years old saito T-2 DR with SAITO XB-2F boiler for 500 euros. It was leaking basicly from all joints, and running with very low torque. After he gets all the joints tight it is going to be ok. It is much more complicated to operate these saitos if one compares to butane engines. It looks that if we compare the approx same money spent I got better package.
Also picture of that saito included. I'm not 100% sure if This is the Saito that I said it is, but you propably know the model from the picture.

Ilcapitano · « **Reply #23 on:** February 22, 2009, 08:43:06 pm »

Hi,

I'll move this build log under new headline since this Graupner hasn't got a lot to do with this topic.

Here is the new topic: http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=15648.0

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