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Re: R.I.P Passat!
« Reply #25 on: February 25, 2009, 12:38:58 am »

Just as a re-cap, it is a W reg (2000) 5 speed manual, 2.0 litre. If you need more, let me know, I will get the documents out, cant do it right now as I will wake the missus up!
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Re: R.I.P Passat!
« Reply #26 on: February 25, 2009, 10:16:52 am »

sheerline, good to hear after your misshap you are ok,

 your tale reminds me of a family friend who had a similar misshap,

 his was to a jaguar xj6...a fairly new company car at that time....

 it was cold frosty morning,  he went out and fired up the jag, turned the heaters on to 'defrost'  the car,  and dived back indoors to finish his last slurp of tea and grab his coat and briefcase, went back out to the car opened the drivers door and passed his briefcase and coat across onto the passenger seat... the passengers door could not be opened due to the driveway being down the side of the house and the passenger  side being adjacent to the wall....

after this everything is a little unclear,

but the briefcase  appears to have shifted this auto jag into drive..somehow....

 because his xj6 set off up the driveway with chokes 'on' - it sped  throught the garage door into his wifes car parked in the garage !

the garage had to be demolished and rebuilt due to damage to the brick pier supporting the roof, the jag was a write off and his wifes  mazda mx5 was a very low very sleek sportscar  after the incident,

 the mazda spent weeks in the body shop but was repaired beautifully....

 again no one was hurt apart from his pride ... imagine explainig that one to the fleet manager !
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« Reply #27 on: February 25, 2009, 12:38:47 pm »

Thanks for that Guy. Very sad story that. The thought of a two ton Jag lit up with no one at the controls is scary. Mine would drive itself on a cold morning till the temperature rose slightly and the injection system begun to cut back. I would love to own another one, the only thing stopping me is practicality... I just couldn't transport anything in it and since starting the business, I need to move stuff around. If I didn't own the old Austin and the garage was freed up, I would definately have another.
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« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2009, 11:34:46 pm »

Try hitting the Enter button; this tends to work for me when they don't put in a next button.

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Re: R.I.P Passat!
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2009, 12:26:28 am »

Tried it Islander 51, tried every button after that too, but nothing worked for me! It is me, I know it is because other people seem to manage but  a Mayhemmer has come to my rescue now so I think I will be ok from here on in.
Many thanks for the advice, it may comein useful next time round.
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« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2009, 08:41:05 am »

Thanks for that Guy. Very sad story that. The thought of a two ton Jag lit up with no one at the controls is scary. Mine would drive itself on a cold morning till the temperature rose slightly and the injection system begun to cut back. I would love to own another one, the only thing stopping me is practicality... I just couldn't transport anything in it and since starting the business, I need to move stuff around. If I didn't own the old Austin and the garage was freed up, I would definately have another.

I know what you mean. In the early 80's I had a beautiful red XJ6 which burned petrol at a frightening rate but was a beautiful car to drive; a flying armchair. The the family came along and the impossibility of getting a pram into the boot became obvious. Since then it's estates and hatchbacks. Mind you, it also means I can get a ship model in the rear also and so it's not all gloom.  :-)

Just don't buy a new model Passat.  :((  :((  >:-o
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Re: R.I.P Passat!
« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2009, 09:10:46 am »

H Barry,my old jag was an XJ series three, 4.2l, 5speed manual in Sebring red, it was the smmothedt thing on four wheels and when you gunned it, the engine used to deliver the goods with a beautiful suppressed growl. I just loved looking down that bonnet. I used to get anything from 18mpg to 22 mpg out of it. like all old Jags, it loved to rot and when i bought it, the first thing I found wrong with it was a leaking heater matrix. I had had it a week at the time and set about replacing the heater core... not a job for the faint hearted!! When i finally reached the heater, my dream car looked like someone had thrown a hand grenade into it!
I  only intende to own it for one year, it stayed with mefor ten years, became a lobour of love as I rebuilt it from front to back, including the engine and rear transmission.
I eventually swapped it  for an  old 16ft clinker built mahogony motor boat which is still not finished and sits on it's trailer at the bottom of my garden........finish it one day! The chap who had my Jag is still using it eight years on and still loves and cherishes it. It's nice to see it still running around as it's local and I see him and chat with him about it occasionally.

As for the later Passats, I was severely tempted by a 130bhp Diesel estate but didn't like the interior much, plus it had had a new wimg fitted and no sunroof. I have heard they are not the wonder machines the old bus used to be and are certainly not as easy to work on, beyond that, I haven't heard any other horror stories so I guess you know something I don't. Sounds like they have gone downhill somewhat?   
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« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2009, 12:06:44 pm »

Two years ago when it came to replacing 'Old Faithful', my Volvo V70, it came down to another V70 or a Passat Estate. The latter won out on the grounds of price and fuel economy. I bought a Passat SE 2.0 diesel estate with the Geartronic box. It was the wrong move.

Because the roof has no gutters over the doors and the sides curve outwards, water or snow collects on the door seal. Open any door and this falls directly onto the seats. Not a good start to a journey.

Climb in, look around and notice the thick 'A' and 'B' pillars; these seriously affect vision and can lead to some heart-stopping moments unless one is very, very careful at all times.

Start it up and, unless the 'S' or manual options are selected, it is very slow off the mark. This can be improved by a heavy foot but it makes for a very jerky start. Once running, performance is reasonable and fuel consumption is excellent.

Switch on the window wipers and then come to a halt (say) to wait at a junction. The wipers will then go into the next lower speed; i.e. from 'high speed' to 'low speed' or from 'low speed' to 'intermittent'. Thus, just when you want the fewest distractions to your view, the car tries to obscure it. This is part of the design (!)

Shortly after collecting the car I noticed that rounding any bend produced the sound of something rolling from side to side in the tailgate. The local dealer extracted a surplus nut left behind by the factory.

After that, I noticed that there was no flow through the air vent for the back seat passengers. Back to the local agent who discovered that a section of piping and a control valve had not been fitted by the factory. 

Next,  I found that applyiing throttle would not always give a response; sometimes the car would accelerate, sometimes it would not respond and sometimes it would stall. Finding this out while pulling out to accelerate is not recommended! Back to the VW dealer who said that it was the result of a fuse failing in the ABS!
"An intermittent fault caused by a fuse blowing?"
"Ah yes, sometimes the fuse blows but then it reconnects."
Reconnecting fuses are a new concept to me.

That fault has not reappeared but the faulty sump level sensor was the next reason to take the car back to the dealer.

About a year after I bought it, I noticed that the rear bumper upper surface showed signs of rubbing against the bottom of the tailgate. The two have clearance when at rest and so I assume that the rear bumper is flexible enough to move up and down and foul when the car's in motion. Back to the dealer who inspected it and then said the adjustment work would be done under warranty. I was waiting for the paperwork to be raised when the warranty manager changed her mind and said that the work was not covered as all bodywork defects had to be advised in the first six months of ownership. At the time I accepted this but checked my copy of the Warranty and found no such condition. (VW had changed the small print meantime.) I challenged this with VW Customer Service; a misnomer if ever there was one and the position has never been resolved.

Now the parking sensors are playing up; sounding when nothing is close to the car. So far the dealer cannot find the fault.

In short, in terms of driving satisfaction, build quality, service from Eastern Western Motor Group and VW generally would I buy another Volkswagen? My answer would not be acceptable in a family forum.  >:-o  >:-o  >:-o

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Re: R.I.P Passat!
« Reply #33 on: February 26, 2009, 12:17:07 pm »

My x reg passat diesel has now 195000 on the clock, average mpg around town  is 42,  56 mpg on a long run and one day last summer it managed an astonishing 63. something but that was on a 100 mile journey in slow moving summer traffic.    Original engine and gearbox and it doesn't burn any more oil than it did at 35000 miles.   Big bill for flywheel and clutch but overall good.   I have heard mixed reports on newer models which are possibly too hi tec.
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« Reply #34 on: February 26, 2009, 03:46:01 pm »

Thats quite a catalogue of problems Barry, methinks I have made the right move with my Honda as it is fairly mechanically and electrically basic. I have never been a lover of hi tech 'Junk' in cars and have always managed to avoid buying the top of the range model of anything. Problem is, these days even base models sport some kind of high tech trickery somewhere. Your self mending fuse problem is obviously a load of bull which the garage has pumped out because they don't know what the problem really is. If it were at all related to this fuse, it may simply be that the fuse holder was intermittent. My experience of garages has been a bad one 99% of the time so I never use them. i do it all myself.  The only time I did was again, like you, a VW dealership and found not only lousy levels of customer service but poor quality workmanship  bordering on incompetence to downright dangerous lack of attention!
It would appear that although many people have had excellent service from thier vehicles, the odd one which gives problems will leave you with a bitter taste in your mouth as the dealerships obviously don't seem to care too much whether you are satisfied or not. Well, it is coming home to them now aint it! They are offering anything from huge discounts to weeks holidays if you buy one of their new cars and even if i had the money, I would not grace the showroom of a VW dealership round here whilst I have a hole in my b-m!

I am in the fortunate position of being able to afford a second hand car which I have allowed a rich person to buy and run in for me! :}
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« Reply #35 on: February 26, 2009, 06:27:08 pm »

I can't agree more about franchised dealers.  They seem to be picked on their ability to fulfil some manufacturer's executives idea of what he would like to see, rather than any actual ability to do the job.
I have a Renault.  When the key died I was stuck with the local Renault dealer.  A fortnight for an appointment to test that the key was broken, minimum cost £80.  (The spare worked, I could have told them that for free).  Another three weeks for the replacement to arrive "It has to come from France, sir" (Did it have to save up and queue for its own ticket? - I have had stuff delivered the following day from French suppliers) and the appointment to have it programmed, cost of key and another £80 minimum charge.  After about 40 minutes, the alleged mechanic told me "It won't program sir"  "Really, it should, you are talking about the new one you just got out of the stores like it says on your job sheet?"  "Er Um".  Disappeared.  15 minutes later, reappeared.  All working.  So the £80 minimum fee is for a quarter of an hours work and half an hour kip.
A few months later, I got a customer service call from the agency.  Was I delighted with their service?  No.  Why ever not?  So I explained my point. 
Unless forced to, I would avoid any main agent at any saving.  There is a small collection of motor engineering firms just up the road from me who I have a good relationship with.  They do good work at sensible prices and realistic time scales.
Sadly, although more modern cars are more economical and probably more reliable, it is almost impossible to get away from the curse of modern technology - nothing is repairable, and modules that need replacing are invariably expensive and need specialist tools.
I feel better now.
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Re: R.I.P Passat!
« Reply #36 on: February 26, 2009, 07:47:26 pm »

Main agents are not always so bad. A few years back I had to put a Vauxhall into a franchised dealer in Aberdeen for an auto gearbox fault. They attempted to fix it as first the mechanic, then the Workshop Foreman, then the Service Manager tried to pin down the problem. After two days of trying, they admitted they would have get back to the factory and involve them in the fault finding.

Expecting to be hit with a big bill, I asked them how much it was up to that date. They said "Nothing - we won't charge you because we haven't fixed the fault". Note that the car was not under Warranty. Eventually, they found the fault which was fixed for £36 parts and labour.  Thereafter, for as long as I lived in that city, they had all my servicing work.

Sometimes you find a good'un.

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« Reply #37 on: February 26, 2009, 07:57:07 pm »

I would agree with that Barry. I bought my Mondeo nearly new from a Ford dealer in Horsham, Sussex. Several routine services at a quite reasonable price, minor damage repaired also at a good price. Part of the deal was a free MOT for while I own the car. Took it in for the fisrt time last week and passed, nothing to pay. Some garages would have found something that needed doint even if it was only to replace the wiper blades.  :-))

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« Reply #38 on: February 26, 2009, 09:23:40 pm »

I have only ever experienced one main dealer who not only did a good job in the appointed time but also did not rip me off....and that was the jaguar agent Michael Powells in Norwich. They replaced two broken front springs and delivered the car to my home for me ,12 miles away, at no extra cost. I only rang them up initially enquiring about the cost of springs , the guy at the desk suggsted they do the job and the price he quoted me was so reasonable that I caved in and let their chaps do it instead.
 Every other main agent i ever dealt with usually turned out to be a bunch of useless rip off liars. I accused the manager of the VW Garage of incompetence (long story) and told him one job which took them all afternoon to fix and subsequently failed to do, could have been done by a child with two spanners. I actually did it myself in five minutes after they returned it to me......A rattling exhaust pipe !
A definite case of NOT getting what you pay for.

I avoid them like the plague, they don't care because they all get paid at the end of the month irrespective of how good or bad they are.

Take your car to a small one man business, he cares because he wants you to come back and doesn't want a bad name!! :-))
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« Reply #39 on: May 10, 2009, 10:10:04 pm »

A moment's silence for the old Passat... and Sheerline's dignity.......!  ok2


31 MPG from a 2 litre (petrol?) 4WD vehicle isn't bad.
i get 40mpg on a run from a 2.0ltr diesel serena, not measured the urban. 
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« Reply #40 on: May 11, 2009, 01:48:01 am »

Funny tail ending to this - Jimmy and Ivy had been trying since they were married to have children - and 3 weeks after that accident - her news was that a baby was on the way.   So something somewhere....happened.
Yeah, humans are more susceptible to procreate when in near-death areas of their lives... the romantic encounter with a stranger during an air-raid, etc.  O0
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« Reply #41 on: May 11, 2009, 09:04:34 am »

Glad someone fired this thread up again, I had promised to come back with an economy figure on my Honda CR-V for those who may be interested. I took it from Norwich to Whitstable in Kent a couple of weeks ago, ran it around down there for a couple of days and by the time I got home, had covered 400 miles.
Calculated the fuel used against mileage and wound up with 35.95 mpg. Not too bad I guess, considering the type of vehicle but hoped I might get just a little more. Running it around here, I can still get 32 mpg so it's not astronomically much better on a run.
 Must be the drag factor I suppose.
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« Reply #42 on: May 11, 2009, 10:32:07 am »

Must be the drag factor I suppose.
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Yes, and the rest... wide tyres with more rubber in contact, it may be geared for towing, it's a big engine and it's a big heavy car. You should count yourself lucky you don't have a range rover... I once had to put petrol in one of them.. jeez... they should come with a warranty and a peronal oil derrick.
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« Reply #43 on: May 11, 2009, 11:03:39 am »

On the original topic it's amazing how many accidents happen like this.
Some year ago a friend was working on his Granada, on the drive in front of the garage.
Engine running, bonnet up, he sat sidesaddle on the drivers seat to do something.
Knocked it into drive, car went forward, open door hit the garage side, wrapped the car door around his legs.
Car carried on, garage door support collapsed, roof of garage collapsed onto the car.
The car only stopped when it hit the back wall.
Mrs came out to invetsigate the noise, garage roof and door had completely covered the car and all was silent.
She called fire brigade who dug my friend out concussed and with a badly bruised leg not to mention ego.
New bonnet and door, paint and a vinyl roof kit and the car was OK. Garage had to be rebuilt.
To this day he does not remember why he lent into the car.
Must be a moral somewhere.
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« Reply #44 on: May 11, 2009, 09:09:46 pm »

Hi TCC, it's a heavy machine, thats for sure but I guess it's not as heavy as some of it's British counterparts but I'm guessing here. The gearing is the same as for an ordinary car, in fact it's rpm versus road speed is exactly the same as the old VW warhorse which preceeded it as well as being the same engine capacity.
Whats really interesting here is that I treated it to Super Unleaded fuel instead of the ordinary cheaper unleaded variety. Everyone said it would give better fuel economy as well as a little more power. Considering I am a pretty lightfooted driver when I need to be and didn't give the thing loads of acceleration welly or caned it down the motorway (60-65mph), it only produced and extra 4-5mpg on that long trip over and above what it gives normally on cheap fuel running around here.
I put it down to aerodynamics and the additional mechanical drag associated with  the four wheel drive gear train.
Still, despite that, the payoff was the relaxed and most comfortable ride of any vehicle I have owned so far, so it's worth the extra fuel just to enjoy the ride that much.

Inkmark, we all take our vehicles for granted and forget quite what we're dealing with at times. I suppose they have become so sophisticated and predictable that we get lulled into a false sense of security.   
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« Reply #45 on: May 11, 2009, 11:08:58 pm »

Hi sheerline, great choice on car  :-)) by the way though it looks like a 4 X 4 it is infact a front wheel drive car, with a transmission that will allow drive to the rear axle only if the front drive train slips and as soon as the drive is restored to the front the rear axle is released from the drive line.

I keep my CRV in as tip top condition as I can I put a fuel additive in every other tank full and use semi synthetic oil, the transmission oils are changed at regular times, tyres are kept at pressure etc etc.

Oh and in winter I remove the AC belt.

I have been with Honda's now for the last 3 cars and they are IMHO the best ride for comfort as well as carrying things like my boats.

R,
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« Reply #46 on: May 12, 2009, 12:30:21 am »

Hi CAT, yes, you're right, it is a part time fwd machine and I rather like that. One of the most important features of this system is to regularly have the transmission oil changed. I went on the Honda forum to look at some of the comments on there... very enlightning.
I serviced the engine before setting off to kent, new oil filter, air filter and engine oil. I am using a fully synthetic 5W/40 engine oil. This oil gives superior lubrication with minimal engine drag so I think I have done all I can to maximise the efficiency....oh, I also stuck an extra 4psi in the tyres just to help things along.

Since buying it, I've had  ALL the belts changed plus both rubber rear swing arm bushes. By the way, this will interest you specifically as a CR-V owner... you don't have to buy the Honda bushes at £50-00 ea, you can fit the ones supplied for Rover at a third of the cost. Same bush... different price! I have to confess, I chickened out of these jobs, I was rather busy so gave it to a local small garage business in Acle to do. I never like anyone working on my car but these guys are  good, very concsientious and thorough and don't rip me off.

I just got through giving the undersides a complete scrub down with Transwash, came up like new and after a week of dry weather, sprayed the whole lot with a gallon of Waxoyl just to keep it all sound... I do it with every car I have ever owned and they never rust.

All this will bore the pants of a lot of the guys looking in (sorry men) but, I know you have an interest in this area as a fellow owner.
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« Reply #47 on: May 12, 2009, 09:05:07 am »

Ah a man after my own heart.... :-))
I have done the same as you with the under body, yes I know about the parts  O0 also I have had the ECU (up rated) slightly not a big reason for this but I do tow with the car and I have now got a little more humph than I did have from the std settings I had it done 5 years ago and after the first time had to have it redone to get what I wanted, the car would fly! which is not what I needed.

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« Reply #48 on: May 12, 2009, 02:12:38 pm »

CAT, I suppose that uprate on the ecu really screwed up the economy figure didn't it?
Do you know of any other  parts peculiar to this machine that are interchangeable in the same way the Rover bushes were?
Something interesting I found on the Honda forum...there is a light clonk which comes from the rear of the vehicle at times, it's difficult to pin down. Some bloke on there discovered that it's caused by the rear lower door stay bush where it anchors to the body. He was right on the money, mine does it so I am going to turn up a new one on the lathe..... when I get a break from building kits that is...HHMMMMM.
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« Reply #49 on: May 12, 2009, 03:09:32 pm »

Bahh.. how do you all manage to drive that way and keep your sanity?  I get 29Mpg out of a 1.6 Clio auto on a 75mile motorway journey <:( I really tried a couple of time and got 38mpg but it was just too much effort to do regularly :((
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