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Re: Where do I start? `Shamrock` (Saloon Launch) RC Scale build help.
« Reply #50 on: August 14, 2009, 03:40:36 pm »

Oh dear :embarrassed:....it wasn't Moses that built the Arc....... but Noah.....sorry {:-{ .....but anyway.....one point omitted from any of the detail on the build of these vessels is   :-X ....did they have toilet facilities on board?........ ;D ;D ....Derek
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Re: Where do I start? `Shamrock` (Saloon Launch) RC Scale build help.
« Reply #51 on: August 14, 2009, 04:27:55 pm »

As Shamrock says......"Not sure if or how much profit one makes on these models, but if I knew I could build the Swift and sell her on with a decent profit",

Oh dear..... >:-o...

1) professional engineers or accountants or the like may quantify or view their time as an hourly $ rate requirement
2) qualified model builders who also may be professional engineers or accountants or the like & may accept 1/100 of their professional rate when building a model {:-{


Best do you sums & clarify your assumptions prior to purchase of the first sticks of wood if profit is the goal......... O0 .....Derek
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Re: Where do I start? `Shamrock` (Saloon Launch) RC Scale build help.
« Reply #52 on: August 14, 2009, 05:43:53 pm »

Hi Derek,

I`m under the impression that It`s cheaper to build your own as opposed to having a model built for you. So someone, somewhere makes a profit.  O0

That said though, my reason for the `Profit` word in my last post was pure desperation mixed with motivation, excitement, willingness, determination and an ambition to have the `Shamrock` back in the Ashley family. (Even if it IS in model form) I would never sell the Shamrock after completion , so let`s just clear that up. I look forward (in my old age) to taking her along to shows, Steamboat rallies etc. and showing her off to the envy of onlookers. As I said before, it would be nice to put her on display in THE museum. But one thing is for sure, it will NEVER leave the Ashley family for generations to come. (I would like to think)

On reflection, I don`t think I would sell the Swift upon completion either. I`m a perfectionist and NO buyer would be worthy of purchase of such a fine model.    :police:

I DO hope this attitude is more to your liking Derek. When you start your responses with `Oh dear` It`s like riding a roller coaster whilst reading back through the thread. :embarrassed:

But I do appreciate your input.  O0

Cheers
Luke
 
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« Reply #53 on: August 14, 2009, 05:52:42 pm »

Thanks for posting those images of the Rally, I was really pleased to see a good selection.

Good quality stands out and these steamers certainly have a lot of love and care taken on them for sure.
As they say, whether it be a model or full size we are just custodians of these craft for now then they become someone else's to enjoy
but what a way to enjoy steam eh!! {-)

Again thanks it was a pleasure..............

Regards
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« Reply #54 on: August 14, 2009, 06:45:23 pm »

Cliff,

I`m glad you appreciate the images. I wish the good quality  camera battery had lasted a bit longer to capture (even closer ) , the love, care and attention of the owners of these fine examples of lake steamers, but , hey, there`s always next time.

I thought it would be a good idea to try and catch them all moored up together as opposed to trying to catch up with them on a self drive hire. I hope I managed to capture the atmosphere within the owners, their families and guests. It was a beautiful sunny morning and a couple of BBQ`s on the lake shore. But standing downwind of a BBQ was nothing compared to standing downwind of a funnel or two. It was a day to remember for me and I`ll be back next year for sure. My dad is in the process of moving back to the Lakes (his place of birth) this year, so hopefully we can both ride along on the Shamrock at next years rally. ( ??????? Roger ???? )   O0

Cheers
Luke

PS Thanks Greg.   :-))
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Re: Where do I start? `Shamrock` (Saloon Launch) RC Scale build help.
« Reply #55 on: August 14, 2009, 07:58:31 pm »

Hi Luke,

Just got home from the lakes!

I'm glad you had a good time and managed to speak with Roger.

Check my thread on Windermere rally for my pics- including  new build windermere launch.

Bee,

Window is original- families who could afford these launches could afford the glass for the windows mate!!

Greg
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Re: Where do I start? `Shamrock` (Saloon Launch) RC Scale build help.
« Reply #56 on: August 30, 2009, 08:53:23 pm »

Luke,
Just found this link to a pic of Shamrock, dunno if you have seen it before.

Ian

http://www.thewestmorlandgazette.co.uk/photos/blog/4433598.Glowing_For_Gold/
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Re: Where do I start? `Shamrock` (Saloon Launch) RC Scale build help.
« Reply #57 on: September 06, 2009, 05:12:28 pm »

I would strongly recommend getting a few good books on the subject of steam and of wooden boat building.  This is a good way to start as it puts you in touch with most of the problems that you will encounter as well as the solutions to those problems.  Also with steam books, it shows what types of Marine Engines are normally used in models, and also the building of them.  I most certainly recommend the following without a shadow of a doubt, as I have read them, and reread them.  Knowledge before the event is always a good thing, as no one can know everything that is required to be know, and there are also so many different approaches to the same solution.  Here are the books in no particular order:

Building Classic Samall Craft   Complete Plans and Instructions for 47 Boats.  by John Gardner.
This is a first class book and is regarded as the definitive work on the subject.

Model Maritime Steam  by Stan Bray.
This is a good informative book and one I have found very interesting as it covers many different type of steam marine engines and their construction.  This includes triple expansion engines.  Boiler construction is dealt with as are fittings and firing methods along with many other interesting and relevant bits and pieces.

Model Stationary and Marine  Steam Engines   by K.N. Harris
This is a first class work on the subject and is as relative today as the day it was written.

Planking Techniques for Model Ship Builders  By Donald Dressel.
This deals with the subject in a very informative way and makes for interesting reading, or at least I  have found it so.

You local Public Library ought to have some books on the different subjects that you will encounter in the planning, construction and running of your model of Shamrock.  Also bear in mind that most books can be acquired on your behalf by the local library via the Inter Library Loan System.

Please note that they are many other books on the subject, that no doubt are equally as informative, its just that I have these in my library, and can only comment on the ones I have read and studied.

If you join a local engineering society, then they may well have a large selection of books and magazines on the subjects of wooden boat construction and steam engines and their boilers etc.  This should be right up your street as most, not all build steam locomotives, and as Shamrock has a locomotive boiler, then it may be only a matter of time before you lay your hands on a drawing of the locomotive.  Also try the National Railway Museum at York, they might be able to help.  A letter requesting to see if they have drawing of the loco in question, accompanied with an SSAE, should bring some results, if only as an elimination process.  Also a similar request to the editor of the Model Engineer should bring a response from some of the readers.  One thing that modeller are very good at, that is reaching out and helping their fellow modeller when help is sought.

Also visits to preserved railways can bring good results as some still sell second hand books and magazines.

Often a book or two of relevance can be found in the corner of Charity Shops, of which most high streets seem to have an abundance of these day.  The seeking out of information is all part of the project,and it is very important tool of the educational variety.

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Re: Where do I start? `Shamrock` (Saloon Launch) RC Scale build help.
« Reply #58 on: June 01, 2011, 11:54:35 am »

oh dear

Looks as though someone is trying to get round the Forum's Rules on Sales by digging up old threads and advertising tut tut naughty one :police: >>:-( >>:-( :((

aye

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Re: Where do I start? `Shamrock` (Saloon Launch) RC Scale build help.
« Reply #59 on: June 01, 2011, 06:22:43 pm »

Bluebird,

???? erm, last post I can see is 2009!

I wonder what happened to Luke and his project...?

Greg
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« Reply #60 on: June 01, 2011, 06:45:03 pm »

There was a posting from Main Steam on here before bluebirds that Martin deleted as he was ignoring the sales rules
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« Reply #61 on: June 01, 2011, 09:35:24 pm »

I thought that must have been the case, however usually a '********  POST DELETED  *********' notification lets us know.

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« Reply #62 on: August 18, 2011, 01:42:31 am »

Was good to see the Shamrock today and a most enjoyable afternoon on the lake. Good to see you again Greg, too.
Was so impressed with the Shamrock, I went and created a facebook page in conjunction with The Shamrock Trust.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Saloon-Launch-Shamrock/134624086631434?sk=wall
Just a pity I`m so sore now having cracked or broke a rib pulling in that mooring buoy. Oh well, no work tomorrow me thinks, then off camping at Bala Lake in North Wales for a week, but I don`t think I`ll be doing my usual blasting across the lake and back on my windsurfer in this condition. Lots of gentle walks with the boys and the dog should suffice. :-))
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« Reply #63 on: August 21, 2011, 09:54:57 pm »

Hi Shamrock
I've just found this thread but if it's any help I too did not know how to plank a boat.
have a look at 'Resurrecting Miranda' (in this steam section) I have put pictures of my efforts
it may give you encouragement to see that we are not all experts and how a novice can learn with the
superb help from the men on this forum, particularly Patternmaker and gondolier88.
I will soon be posting the hull fully planked but should show you in very basic terms how to taper the bow and aft.
(Hark at me, I used to say front and back )

Best wishes

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« Reply #64 on: November 17, 2012, 07:59:10 pm »

Hi all, I`m back and getting interested again. Finished building the stairs to the attic where I plan to do the build. Missed the opportunity to get the lines when Shamrock was last out of the water so need to wait until next time and need to be quick off the mark.
If I had the money, I would be tempted at this is  rather nice Marten Howes and Baylis 42"cabin launch, TOPAZ,
[/size]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Live-Steam-Radio-Controlled-Boat-Cabin-Launch-/221154386725?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item337dd42325
[/size]But I don`t have the money and thought I would post here just in case you guys have not come across it.
[/size]BTW, i have a new facebook page for the Shamrock. Please `like` if you`re a facebook user.
[/size]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Saloon-Launch-Shamrock/134624086631434
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« Reply #65 on: November 17, 2012, 10:26:12 pm »

Welcome back.
Liked it on Facebook and added it to an interest called Steam.
Regards,
Gerald.
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« Reply #66 on: November 17, 2012, 11:11:30 pm »

Liked it to Shamrock, and I'm just posting here so I see your build pop up ..... soon?
 
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Re: Where do I start? `Shamrock` (Saloon Launch) RC Scale build help.
« Reply #67 on: November 18, 2012, 02:16:05 pm »

Luke,


I'm sure the Steamboat Museum would be more than happy for you to take the lines off either Swallow or Osprey. Look forward to seeing the build start at last.


Greg
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