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« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2011, 04:28:25 pm »

My local hobby shop used to sell model boat bits, has now given up....They say too many customers who only want 3 bowsies or a couple of cleats..

Much more money to be made from selling rc helicopters and planes...



 
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« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2011, 04:35:34 pm »

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Mind you, those who have kept a weather eye on the development of 3D printing (as I have) are positively shaking with the the excitement of this technology.  It means I can copy ANYTHING I want to make!  Need a new hub?, Need a new figure? Need a new propeller master for a bronze casting? Copy it!!  I really am excited.

Unlimited scope for piracy there by the sound of it!
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« Reply #27 on: July 29, 2011, 04:43:53 pm »

How can that be considered piracy? Every piece in a 3d printer is a one-off. It can only be classed as theft if you use someone elses 3d file without their consent.
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« Reply #28 on: July 29, 2011, 04:45:13 pm »

Or scan their original 3D component (prop? Bollard?) into the machine and replicate...................

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« Reply #29 on: July 29, 2011, 05:50:50 pm »

Oh no, not the Replicators  :o

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« Reply #30 on: July 29, 2011, 06:28:54 pm »

Or scan their original 3D component (prop? Bollard?) into the machine and replicate...................

That's a 3D scanner- different animal. But then it's always been possible for those with the knowledge to knock-off items like that using conventional moulding and casting techniques.
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« Reply #31 on: July 29, 2011, 07:45:33 pm »

Oh no, not the Replicators  :o

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« Reply #32 on: July 29, 2011, 10:46:26 pm »

When I started making kits about ten years ago, I saw that the industry was in decline then and thought that the only way forward was to make kits that offered the modeller the chance to build a museum standard model from a kit without the need for special skills since these were (and still are) disappearing fast. As it turns out, many of my kits have been built by some excellent modellers so it’s hard to know if I was right and as many of you will remind me, they aint cheap.
I thought that pre-cut parts and lots of detail may bridge the gap and introduce new people to the hobby and I think thats right but my big lifeboat kits were too expensive for a first project so I guess I ran off the rails there.
Still, I think that if 'kits' have a future, they have to offer the enthusiast, with limited craft skills and perhaps only a shallow knowledge of the art of model boating), something that is achievable (as a first time kit perhaps) and of which they can be proud to have built. But now perhaps its no good offering a kit where you have to align the propshafts and glass them in, make your own motor mounts, solder up the railings and (worse of all) fit it out with all the motors, speed controllers, in-runners, out-runners, Lipo's, NMH thingies and all that radio stuff to figure out.
Best perhaps if it's all in a box.
Is the China way the answer, ready to runs?
Well, for less than the price of a Raboesch bow thruster, I can buy a fully built, ready to run, 1/16th scale halftrack, fully working, even weathered a little, with all functions working and the radio is in the box too!
Makes you think?
I'm 64 so should be retiring but no, I have just bought a factory unit and will soon be doing Speedline full time! With more skilled people than ever working on new kits we are still concentrating on kits of interesting subjects that offer great detail and finish but are relatively straightforward to build and are much more affordable. 
I'll still do big lifeboats because thats 'what I do' and there is a limited market. 
A 1/16 scale landing craft aligns well with the model tank enthusiast market and a 1/8th scale, jet powered  Bluebird K7 will offer lots of fun and excitement (and of course, Bluebird will always be Bluebird) so both should sell well.  Bluebird K7 is being mastered by Phil Edwards, probably the best modeller of Bluebird subjects on the planet so it will offer superb levels of detail, as good as any resin model and it will run top. 
The LCM3, now much delayed for a variety of reasons has been redesigned and will now have a GRP hull with that lovely ‘starved dog’ and ‘worn’ look built in, once again modelled using  the masterful skills of Phil Edwards.  That's my way forward.
Will it work? Of course it will. (Didn’t want to be rich anyway).
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« Reply #33 on: July 29, 2011, 11:32:53 pm »

sounds good do you have a web site  :o
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« Reply #34 on: July 30, 2011, 04:20:06 pm »

Up until last year I was a member of your "Cottage Industry" I used to cast white metal figures and vehicle parts for 3 British Companies and 2 German. I still have the (Expensive) Metal melting pot, 20 kilo size and a very costly Centrifuge and associated Discs. I haven't used it for nearly a year. The reason? All of them have either ceased trading or have converted to Resin Mouldings which are produced in Poland or The Czech Republic far cheaper than I can pour them in White Metal. ( Good quality metal costs about 14 pounds a kilo) I have over 50 moulds on shelves, that take up space, do not belong to me and I cannot get rid of! Repeated Mails get no reply, These moulds cost upwards of 70 pounds each to produce, sometimes I am tempted to pour some and sell them on E Bay under a new kit name, maybe that will provoke a response!! %) ok2
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« Reply #35 on: July 30, 2011, 04:23:23 pm »

sounds good do you have a web site  :o
My question too!
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« Reply #36 on: July 31, 2011, 12:14:13 am »


Message: spend time with and teach your children.....




This sounds like a good time and place to plug the KK EeZeBilt model site at http://modelboats.hobby-site.com

All the original die-cut shapes are there to build any of the original KK starter kits range - specifically aimed at 8-15 year olds. Download a plan, cut some 1/16" balsa, and give the 'kit' to any kids you know. These boats were designed to be successfully put together by children with minimal adult help - the best way to introduce them to the hobby....
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« Reply #37 on: July 31, 2011, 04:15:20 am »

I grew up with Airfix, KK Eezebilt, and woodwork classes in school. In other words I have learned a biasic set of building skills.

People often lack the confidence to tackle a build, not only that they often lack the ability to tackle their chosen kit. Some people dive in at the deep end with a really detailed high end kit, that requires expert skills. As a kid my pocket money was a limiting factor, as I grew older my pocket money, and skills also grew. New people to the hobby with spare cash do not have so many restrictions. I am not sure what the solution to this one is, apart from guidance.
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« Reply #38 on: July 31, 2011, 06:04:18 am »

Unlimited scope for piracy there by the sound of it!

Unlimited scope yes, just like audio copying and 2D copying of Old Masters, but it does not automatically lead to piracy.

I accept that if I pop to to my model shop and buy one figure, then copy it unashamedly, I might well be pirating someone elses work, but if I make a wooden fitting for my submarine, say, then I make the number of copies I need in 3D..?

And if I own a component that WAS made by "Blogg's Model Boats", but now BMB has gone out of business so I make a few more to keep me going, who is going to complain?

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« Reply #39 on: July 31, 2011, 09:00:00 am »

sounds good do you have a web site  :o


yes here......   http://speedlinemodels.com/


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« Reply #40 on: July 31, 2011, 10:10:10 am »

How can that be considered piracy? Every piece in a 3d printer is a one-off. It can only be classed as theft if you use someone elses 3d file without their consent.
I thought it could be classed as theft of intellectual property, and that does not have to be tangible property. In other words if you have copied the design in some way, you have stolen the idea/design/IP.

If you design a piece of furniture. If I photograph (sketch or otherwise make a record) it and then reproduce it, that I think is IPR theft.
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« Reply #41 on: July 31, 2011, 11:22:06 am »

Good ole Copyright rears its ugly head again, Must be the Twentieth Centuary Elfin mantra, sadly brought up by someone whos place of residance holds NO loyalty to an original designers latest "Child". We want the latest gizmos for the least cost (2.4Gigglies R/C), wonder how the pioneers of the gear feel about complete sets for less than their own receivers or servos?

  Far better to have guys like Dodgy publishing for posterity than MBAS "Loosing" designs, with their heads stuck so far in the sand, They can't hear the band playing as the Bows are going under.

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« Reply #42 on: July 31, 2011, 11:32:35 am »

Based on that most modelmakers are going to be guilty of theft, as we are essentially copying other designs albeit in miniature form!
Reminds a bit me a bit of those laws about taping off of the radio or videoing films on tv. By rights you're breaking the law, but as everyone does it, it would be impossible to enforce.

From my own perspective I believe 3D printing will improve this hobby, not degrade it. The technology is improving and reducing in cost all the time.
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« Reply #43 on: July 31, 2011, 12:07:22 pm »

Based on that most modelmakers are going to be guilty of theft, as we are essentially copying other designs albeit in miniature form!
Reminds a bit me a bit of those laws about taping off of the radio or videoing films on tv. By rights you're breaking the law, but as everyone does it, it would be impossible to enforce.

From my own perspective I believe 3D printing will improve this hobby, not degrade it. The technology is improving and reducing in cost all the time.
A few years ago, when my wife was deep into the Dollshouse hobby, I made a coat hook, in 1/12th scale, like the Victorians had on the back of every bedroom door, incorperated it in a mould and cast her several, also for her friends in the Group, couple of years later saw self same hooks being sold at a Fair, another year they were in several Catalogues, under different names, now in virtually every Shop they will be there. I take it as a compliment that they are so widely copied, mind you, it isn't my money they are taking!!
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« Reply #44 on: July 31, 2011, 12:11:03 pm »

....By rights you're breaking the law, but as everyone does it, it would be impossible to enforce.

This answers your own question, "How can that be considered piracy?"

But like you say, it is impossible to enforce.
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« Reply #45 on: July 31, 2011, 12:23:08 pm »

Let me see if I figured this correct.
When the ***Chinese*mod*** copy you it is bad.
When we copy each other it is OK.

I seem to remember a man from England was knocking off hulls for a paying hobby a few years back. Selling on Ebay.
I seem to remember lots of folks on here calling for blood from this 'criminal' (and lots of other words were used to describe the guy - most not nice).

Yeh! I geddit.
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« Reply #46 on: July 31, 2011, 12:34:35 pm »

Right in one BFTB. Copyright rights or wrongs depend on buying or selling. :-))

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« Reply #47 on: August 01, 2011, 12:19:54 pm »

When the *** copy you it is bad.
When we copy each other it is OK.

Yeh! I geddit.

Bad word ! - you meant our 'Oriental friends', my mother would string you up and stab you with a chopstick if you called her that!

Most non-professional / amateur people would, if having their work copied, be flattered, as long as the copier was not profiting from it - If the originator were doing it to feed the family then that is a different kettle of fish.
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« Reply #48 on: August 01, 2011, 12:49:01 pm »

Sent a PM to him asking him to change that within the cut off time Glasshopper but he chose to ignore.   O0  Some Yanks/Rednecks are like that.

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« Reply #49 on: August 01, 2011, 01:08:41 pm »

Sent a PM to him asking him to change that within the cut off time Glasshopper but he chose to ignore.   O0  Some Yanks/Rednecks are like that.

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