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nhp651

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MACHINE SERVICING
« on: October 21, 2011, 12:05:04 am »
Does anyone in my area of Blackpool/preston/Lancaster know of someone who will come out to my own house and service my Bench fitted Electra Beckum band saw........I've had it 17 - 18 years, it's given fantastic service, but has started to run slow, needing a bit of a kick start to get going, and I reckon it could do with a good service.
at 660 quid to replace (new price for my model) I reckon it's worth spending a few bob to get another 17 years work out of it, but as it's bolted to a bench and quite heavy, no longer viable for me to disconnect and take it somewhere.
I'd rather that the service engineer comes to me.
If anyone knows of someone who can do this sort of work could they please pm me.
cheers, neil.
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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2011, 12:18:24 am »
Neil there is a place in Sheffield who supply and make the blades - no mention of servicing but they may know who does -
could be worth a call.  Best I can find.


Geoff


http://www.freeindex.co.uk/profile(east-midlands-saw-service)_277967.htm
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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2011, 12:27:08 am »
When you say kick start Neil, do you mean you have to spin one of the wheels to get it to work?

   Regards  Ian.
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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2011, 06:10:52 am »
mmmm nhp651

I think Circlip may be eluding to the motor start/run capacitor being faulty >>:-(
 ......do the wheel have sealed ball bearings or bronze bushes?....when the machine is turned off & electrically isolated.....do the wheels present with sideways wobble on their shafts?........

I have just checked  "Electra Beckum band saw" on GOOGLE...& it relates to as manufactured by/for the German Metabo brand of electric tools

I have a 7 1/4" Metabo hand held power saw...it is a precision tool  O0 ....my understanding is that Metabo is a world class manufacturer of power tools.........

From this I would be inclined e-mail Metabo with the bandsaw model & serial number .... :D :embarrassed: explain the circumstances ...size weight etc...& ask for

1. an e-mailed detailed exploded view of the machine
2. their thoughts on the machine starting scenario
3. their recommendation on a local compenent service center
Good luck...........Derek :-))
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« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2011, 08:10:41 am »
You could try "Lancashire Saw" in Blackburn. They do bandsaw servicing.  :-))
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« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2011, 08:38:14 am »
From your description of the starting problem I would suspect that the motor brushes are worn out. Can you remove the motor & have it serviced separately ?.I don't know the rate electrical service technicians charge in the U/K, but here (Canada) it would be cheaper to replace the saw. It sounds like your saw is a high quality item & well worth repairing, as was suggested an exploded view would be a great help & after seeing your boat builds I don't think you would have much problem doing the work yourself (it's like an MG, LOL) Mick B. 
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nhp651

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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2011, 08:56:57 am »
yesd guys.that is exactly what I have to do....spin the wheel to get it going........looks like the motor then.......................have had a quick read of these......will study greater when I get back from picking GRP supples up.....but many thanks for the initial pointers.

neil.
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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2011, 10:11:54 am »
Check if there is a can capacitor Neil, it may be cheaper than 660 pictures of HRH. Disconnect the drive from the motor to the saw and try.

  Regards  Ian.
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« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2011, 04:11:35 pm »
You didn't say if it's Single or Three phase though I suspect it's Single. In a 3 phase machine reluctance to start up to full speed could be a failed phase but it sounds a lot like the capacitor has gone or is k***kered.  Replacement isn't a big job provided you get a suitable equivelent.  I replaced one on a sander without resorting to an electrician.
  Failing that have a word with the local secondary school they usually know someone locally who "does" machinery.
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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2011, 05:36:03 pm »
Neil.May i suggest a look in the Yellow Pages for Electric motor repaires. May well be the capacitor. It was on my compressor motor. John.
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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2011, 09:47:21 am »
thanks guys..yes, it's single phase.

will now, knowing what you guys have told me, can now have a look in yellow pages, as john and others have suggested, and give a more accurate account to those I am talking to.

Thank you all for your help and suggestions. Will let you know what happens.

neil
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« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2011, 10:37:10 am »
...hi chaps.........Would just like to say thanks to those of you who diagnosed electrical probs in the starting of my band saw............I rang an indipendent electrician who quoted me £30 perhour to come out on site and  fix it including travelling time, which by todays standards wasn't too bad, considering the price of a new band saw.700 quid +
I then rang up the suppliers of Elecra Beckum in yorkshire who said, as you guys had stated "sounds like a Capacitor", ( as aparently the motor fitted ( to quote ) "doesn't have brushes......it's a proper motor [what ever that means] it's definately the capacitor....Twenty quid plus post plus VAT)
so ordered one, came two days later and I fitted it within about 20 minutes.
Works as well as it ever did............so many thanks to you guys, and the super service from

 D.B. Keighley Machinery Ltd, Vickers place, Stanningley, Leeds, LS28 6LZ.
TEL: 0113 257 4736 - FAX: 0113 257 4293

You are ALL my hero's of the day.

neil.
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« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2011, 11:06:07 am »
   
     :}    Now watch your fingers.


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« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2011, 01:01:38 pm »
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« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2011, 01:13:36 pm »
In the pattern makers shop in a now long gone foundry,
the band saw had these words painted on it's front;
TEN LITTLE FINGERS,
TEN LITTLE TOES,
IF ONE TOUCHES THIS MACHINE,
OFF IT GOES.
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« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2011, 01:26:57 pm »
Glad to hear that you repaired your machine.It does give one satisfaction to repair oneself.Also to do it cheaply, and saving what is no doubt an old friend. John.
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« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2011, 01:28:17 pm »
And don't forget Neil, there's a capital Ya in Yorkshire. {-)

   And before anyone says it, yes, York.

   Regards   Ian.
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« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2011, 07:04:51 pm »
do apologise matey........Y i lad!!

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« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2011, 02:36:13 am »
HI, Neil , nice to see you got all fixed up & not at too much cost. A lot of the older machines were designed to be repaired, not so today. They just want to sell you a new one now. This is a great forum for good advice, keep it coming. Mick B.
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« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2011, 12:42:59 pm »
Good that you didn't have to divert too many funds from the Ambulance. Repair is an increasingly dying art nowadays, mainly practised by old f***s and Yorkshiremen. Problem trying to repair todays offerings is the exhorbitant cost of spares, sometimes half the cost of a complete new piece of equipment.

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« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2011, 01:03:23 pm »
Quote from: Circlip on November 08, 2011, 12:42:59 pm
Good that you didn't have to divert too many funds from the Ambulance. Repair is an increasingly dying art nowadays, mainly practised by old f***s and Yorkshiremen. Problem trying to repair todays offerings is the exhorbitant cost of spares, sometimes half the cost of a complete new piece of equipment.

  Regards   Ian.

I fit into the first discription, lol.....I resemble that. %% %% %%

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« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2011, 05:35:57 pm »
Quote from: Circlip on November 08, 2011, 12:42:59 pm
Problem trying to repair todays offerings is the exhorbitant cost of spares, sometimes half the cost of a complete new piece of equipment.

Too true! My external hard disk failed at the weekend. No problem I thought I'll buy a new drive for it. The cost of a drive was MORE than I paid for the whole unit, and I was able to buy a complete new external disc for less %) %) %)

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« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2011, 08:55:34 pm »
I'm just happy in the knowledge that  there's an old tool working somewhere in Fleetwod    ;D {-) {-) {-) ;D

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« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2011, 09:39:39 pm »
Quote from: Norseman on November 11, 2011, 08:55:34 pm
I'm just happy in the knowledge that  there's an old tool working somewhere in Fleetwod    ;D {-) {-) {-) ;D

Dave

don't you pronounce your "F"s funny,.....I resemble that!! {-) {-) {-) {-)
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