Topic: what to do with 2 graupner elke's (Read 12096 times)

sharkbite0 · « **on:** March 23, 2013, 11:32:00 am »

well i have two graupner elke fishing boats

one built but in need of a revamp and a new kit still in the box and wounderd what to do with them then i came across this site and i think the built boat is going to get coverted to this http://www.rc-modellbau-schiffe.de/wbb2/thread_15477_Noch-ein-KFK.html what do you guys think.
should i build the new kit as is and convert the built one. or do the conversion on the new kit
regards
mick

Circlip · « **Reply #1 on:** March 23, 2013, 11:37:03 am »

That's a bit excessive for Fishery Protection?

Regards Ian

sharkbite0 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 23, 2013, 11:41:46 am »

i agree ian but makes for an intersting project

regards mick

derekwarner · « **Reply #3 on:** March 23, 2013, 11:56:35 am »

It would appear that the planking on the FWD anti aircraft mount depicted as athwart ships may be incorrect @ 90 degrees reversed?......

....Derek

awvs · « **Reply #4 on:** March 23, 2013, 03:12:44 pm »

Hi Mick,
I learn most from my own mistakes. So, I would use the new kit for the new boat and convert the old one.
Good luck
Wilhelm

Netleyned · « **Reply #5 on:** March 23, 2013, 03:29:19 pm »

Quote from: derekwarner_decoy on March 23, 2013, 11:56:35 am

It would appear that the planking on the FWD anti aircraft mount depicted as athwart ships may be incorrect @ 90 degrees reversed?...... ....Derek

Surely reversed would be 180 degrees
From athwartships to fore and aft ain't
Reversed but rotated 90 degrees to port or starboard ??

Ned

sharkbite0 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 23, 2013, 03:47:50 pm »

thanks Wilhelm.

thats what i will do i think

just sorcing pictures from the net to help lol.
i have 2 weeks holiday from good friday

so hope to make a start then.
i to learn by my mistakes lol and have made a few in the past.
but this should be an easy conversion (fingers crossed)
will post pics when i make a start.
regards
mick

sharkbite0 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 23, 2013, 03:53:30 pm »

derek and ned
thanks for the heads up on the forword gun platform will make sure i dont do the same

lol
i just love mayhem allways some one out there to help with advice just a great site to be on
regards
mick

PW569 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 23, 2013, 08:04:27 pm »

An interesting project! Over 1.000 units were ordered by the German Navy and 600+ were aktually delivered.
Some were build for Germany during the war in "neutral" Sweden!!!! The hull was always the same, but there were quite a few variations in the superstructure and weaponry! I remember that the Graupner ELKE based on a real ELKE fishing boat in the 1950s, also started her carerr as a KFK.

Interesting to note that the other Graupner model, the Whaler RAU XI now on display in the German Maritime Museum at Bremerhaven, was also built for the Navy as an auxiliary sub chaser...similar to the Flower Class Corvettes, which also have a Whaler background...

I would build the new kit as ELKE and the old one convert to a KFK.

Cheers!

hmsantrim · « **Reply #9 on:** March 24, 2013, 04:11:52 am »

Hi Mick.
what you are wanting to build is called a verpostenboot which is merchant/ civilian craft coverted to coastal and harbour patrol vessels.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=en-GB&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGHP_en-GBGB453GB454&q=verpostenboot

origional http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriegsfischkutter

have some phots of built models if you are intrested pm mail address.

Frank

derekwarner · « **Reply #10 on:** March 24, 2013, 05:16:55 am »

Ned & Mick.....in OZ ...to reverse is to change things around..........just ask my wife

.........

....45 degrees....90 degrees.....135 degrees.....180 degrees...? ........ it's all the same to her

.....Derek

PW569 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 24, 2013, 10:58:27 am »

Below you can find pictures of a nice Model:

http://www.modellmarine.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=632&Itemid=4338

sharkbite0 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 24, 2013, 12:00:20 pm »

Quote from: hmsantrim on March 24, 2013, 04:11:52 am

Hi Mick.
what you are wanting to build is called a verpostenboot which is merchant/ civilian craft coverted to coastal and harbour patrol vessels.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=en-GB&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGHP_en-GBGB453GB454&q=verpostenboot

origional http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriegsfischkutter

have some phots of built models if you are intrested pm mail address.
hi frank
thankyou for the links to the real boat they will be a big help mate

Frank

thanks for the links frank pm sent
regards mick

sharkbite0 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 24, 2013, 12:05:53 pm »

Quote from: PW569 on March 24, 2013, 10:58:27 am

Below you can find pictures of a nice Model:

http://www.modellmarine.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=632&Itemid=4338

thanks pw569 i have that link and yes it is a verry nice boat
regards
mick

PW569 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 24, 2013, 12:13:58 pm »

This may be the MASTERCLASS version:

http://www.arbeitskreis-historischer-schiffbau.de/modell/2006/kfk/kfk.htm

sharkbite0 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 24, 2013, 12:21:34 pm »

Quote from: PW569 on March 24, 2013, 12:13:58 pm

This may be the MASTERCLASS version:

http://www.arbeitskreis-historischer-schiffbau.de/modell/2006/kfk/kfk.htm

that is a nice model thanks for the link will take a good look a bit later
regards
mick

sharkbite0 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 24, 2013, 12:25:56 pm »

well started to strip the Elke down ready for the conversion

sharkbite0 · « **Reply #17 on:** March 29, 2013, 10:42:14 am »

well i have started with the elke conversion.

got the stern cut out done and started work on the forword gun platform.

next i will start on the stern gun platform

enjoy the pics every one.
can any one out there please give me some advice on the type of guns she would have on board.
just so i know what to look for.im looking at 1/35th scale kits but none look like what the real boat would carry.

PW569 · « **Reply #18 on:** March 29, 2013, 10:56:50 am »

Looking good!

I wonder what will happen to the other ELKE!

You know, these KFKs operated sometimes as fleets! He he!

sharkbite0 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 29, 2013, 11:15:05 am »

Quote from: PW569 on March 29, 2013, 10:56:50 am

Looking good!

I wonder what will happen to the other ELKE!

You know, these KFKs operated sometimes as fleets! He he!

Thanks for the comment pw569 the other one will be stopping in the box for the moment lol

sharkbite0 · « **Reply #20 on:** March 29, 2013, 11:20:26 am »

thanks pw569

Circlip · « **Reply #21 on:** March 29, 2013, 02:51:14 pm »

A few land based units to convert :- http://www.wonderlandmodels.com/products/afv-club-135-german-2cm-flakvierling-38/
http://www.wonderlandmodels.com/products/afv-club-135-german-2cm-flakvierling-38-tow-traile/
http://www.wonderlandmodels.com/products/bronco-135-german-2cm-flakvierling-38-trailer/
http://www.wonderlandmodels.com/products/bronco-135-german-37cm-flak36/
http://www.wonderlandmodels.com/products/italeri-135-german-pak-9738-gun-crew/

There are various 1/35 figures at the same supplier.

The multi barrel on the front looks very much like the "2cm Flakvierling"

Regards Ian.

PW569 · « **Reply #22 on:** March 29, 2013, 03:07:03 pm »

The ELKE should ba around 1:36. The scale is never very exact with Graupner, for sure 1,35 is fine, possibly 1:40 as well.

In 1:40 you do have some options fo 20 and 40 mm guns as well as depth charges and smoke generators / containers intended for the Robbe S-Boot:

http://www.hobby-lobby-modellbau.com/onlineshop/index.php/language/en/cat/c146_Graue-Flotte.html

Maybe the floats for the S-130 also fit...

sharkbite0 · « **Reply #23 on:** March 29, 2013, 04:50:55 pm »

circlip and pw569 thanks for the links

pw569 ihear what your saying about the scale of the elke listed on box as 1/36th but i will take that with a pinch of salt.

i have started the stern gun platform same as the front one just 10mm smaller od
need a coffee now

will be back with more update's soon.
regards
mick

PW569 · « **Reply #24 on:** March 29, 2013, 04:56:42 pm »

Dear Mick,

I did not mention the scale issue to complain, but to indicate that 1/40 fittings (guns) might also work with her!
I think it may be better to use nice but less detailed guns (like the Robbe ones) rather than the highly accurate Army ones from the 1:35 kits.
Could look awkward if you have a nice model, but hyper detailed guns....

Great build! (and fast!)!

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