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Help Identifying type of ship
« on: January 06, 2023, 12:33:58 pm »

Hello, I recently acquired this lovely sailing boat but it was in need of some tlc. It has a fibreglass hull which is about 28" long. I have tried searching the name only to find the name is of a survivor of a few ship wrecks including the Titanic. Can anyone tell me the name of this type of rig or vessel, It is a cargo carrying  boat, a bit Thames Barge ish. Thanks
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Re: Help Identifying type of ship
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2023, 08:31:17 pm »

It's rigged as a Ketch with a Main and a Mizzen mast, the Main is taller than the Mizzen. It's also a Gaff rig with the main sails hoisted on a Gaff spar.
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Re: Help Identifying type of ship
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2023, 10:40:10 am »

Thanks Jim, That's very helpful and informative. Do you know if this arrangement was used and if this is a scale model.  Is the bow and stern spitt normal.
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Re: Help Identifying type of ship
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2023, 11:48:24 am »

Often called a boomkin/bumpkin. These were used, especially with yawls, to hold a block to operate the mizzen boom. Thinking about it they are probably essential on a boom that has so much of its length over the stern. There is a tiny bit of info with a useful rigging diagram for a mizzen and bumpkin here http://www.unlikelyboatbuilder.com/2012/02/bigger-bumpkin.html
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Re: Help Identifying type of ship
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2023, 10:32:20 am »

I have just been studying my 1954 Observer's Book of Ships and think your boat could be a Brixham trawler.  A bit more research may help confirm this or otherwise.
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Re: Help Identifying type of ship
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2024, 01:06:03 pm »

It is definitely a cargo carrying ketch, seen photo's of this type on the east coast and is similar to the cargo ketches to the ones working the SW coast of Cornwall where one is now in preservation. Definitely not a fishing boat, lacking working deck space and no capstan or similar to work nets.
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Re: Help Identifying type of ship
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2024, 11:46:46 pm »

It's a Yawl, not  Ketch.


A Yawl has the mizzen aft of rudder stock, which we see on the model, so the boom overhangs the stern so a boomkin is used to carry the sheet.
This is different from a ketch where the mizzen mast is well forward of the rudder stock allowing the sheet for the mizzen boom to be secured inboard. The sail area of the mizzen on a yawl is consequentially proportionately smaller than the same sail on a ketch.
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Re: Help Identifying type of ship
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2024, 05:39:35 am »

Would be great to see it sailing.
Is it set up with RC?


How much ballast? Models of traditional boats like this often have a false/removable keel to ensure they sail better. Has yours?


Good luck with it.

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Re: Help Identifying type of ship
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2024, 10:54:33 pm »

Hi all I am pretty sure it is a Horizon kit called Inshore Trader.  I have checked a photo of the build article in International Marine Modelling May / June 1996 magazine and it looks the part.  The length is right and the bowsprit and stern boom look the same.

This model / prototype would have virtually no extended keel but perhaps an inch deep keel running the length of the model.  The extreme beam just needs internal ballast to keep her upright and sailing.  The prototype would have come ashore at high tide and traded from there.  Somewhere in my garage there is a near completed model I will have a look and see if it is accessible.

The picture I have of the article is 23.5Mb and a bit big for pictures on the forum.
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Re: Help Identifying type of ship
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2024, 11:34:54 pm »

Hi all I have found the plans of Inshore Trader hope they come through OK.
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Re: Help Identifying type of ship
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2024, 11:38:59 pm »

Hi all after many attempts success! If you look at the hull in the bottom right of the plan you can see there is no extended keel.  She will sail with internal ballast with the wide beam to stabilise her.
Roy
 
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Re: Help Identifying type of ship
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2024, 10:21:47 am »

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Re: Help Identifying type of ship
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2024, 12:38:05 pm »

Hi all, the search in my garage although not deep, failed to reveal my Inshore Trader.  But I did find a forgotten fishing boat which needs rather a lot of TLC.
Well you win some and you lose some!
Roy
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