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[ROSYTH]

Hi folks, just doing a little trawling off the net and came across this little beauty in engineering terms of a Model Steam Plant, not sure if i have or could get a boat for it to fit into but I would certainly like to try.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLndiRu_Gls

The video has only had 182 views so thought it was still new enough for others to have a look at and just wonder what the hell they were doing in their workshops compared to this fella 

I think it would be a good idea to give this chap some feedback on his skill/s although I think he knows already

ENJOY

Cliff

[kno3]

Wow, that's really impressive. I saw two Stuarts built in there too.

[gondolier88]

WOW!!! Thanks for posting that- just stunning- wish it had a boiler to go with it- now if only we could nick it and we had a model big enough.........

Greg

[gondolier88]

Hi Kno3,

There are actually 5 ST engines in there- the two most obvious are the Sirius genny sets, but there is also a twin launch in there, a ST feed pump and a beautiful modified 10V- he's put an extra cylinder on top to make it into a steeple compound!!! Truly clever guy!

Greg

[ROSYTH]

WOW!!! Thanks for posting that- just stunning- wish it had a boiler to go with it- now if only we could nick it and we had a model big enough.........

Greg

Okay, when do you want to go 

What a piece of engineering though..............right down to that bloke walking up the steps having checked all his pressure gauges first off course.....

CAN YOU FIND ANYTHING ON THE NET AS GOOD AS THIS..............IF SO POST IT FOR ALL TO SEE OK.

Cheers
Cliff

[gondolier88]

Funny you should mention Mr Mini-engineer- the builder has gone to the trouble of making the steam plant probably one of the best model plants in the world- but his engineer is in 'blues', he should be in 'whites' if he's in the engineroom- blues are apprentices and plumbers- funny really- I wear blues every day at work, then whites on SY Gondola! 

Greg

[ROSYTH]

C'mon then folks, who would like to guess at just how long this piece of Art took to make............     

Certainly longer than a month but it must have taken a good few years assuming this chap had OTHER projects on the go then
it would most certainly have been his pride and joy.
If i had made it!!!!!!!! not much chance there then I don't think I would have wanted to pass on to that big workshop in the sky
knowing someone else was going to get there mits all over it. So thank goodness for Glass Display Cases eh!

I think I will enquire a little more into it for us by contacting the museum directly and see what information they can pass on to us, thats
if folks would like to know!!

Cheers
Cliff

[gondolier88]

Hi ROSYTH,

Double any guesses- look carefully in the background- there are two sets!!!!!!

Greg

[BarryM]

Funny you should mention Mr Mini-engineer- the builder has gone to the trouble of making the steam plant probably one of the best model plants in the world- but his engineer is in 'blues', he should be in 'whites' if he's in the engineroom- blues are apprentices and plumbers- funny really- I wear blues every day at work, then whites on SY Gondola! 

Greg

Whites (well more a sort of grey after some use) for Engineers and Apprentices. Blues  for POs and ratings. Apart from that excellent (blue) boiler suit I got off the Yard Manager at a certain French docking.

Barry M

[kusuchi]

Many thanks to Ruaridh for uploading this amazing video to You Tube.  Don't know who the builder was though.

[Martin (Admin)]

There was a guy that was building a full steam set for a Yamato (from memory).
I'm certain I took pictures of it at a show once, I'll have a look later.
anyone else remember it?

Just found this but the link is dead....

Posted by: Jack Rose on 10/05/2003 20:36:26.

I am currently building a steam plant to fit into 9ft long 16 inch beam fibreglass model of the Japanese battleship Yamato (Westward Mouldings). The main propulsion is provided by 2 scale model (Stuart Turner) triple expansion steam engines, the auxiliary services (condensers cooling water pump, small car alternator - for radio control and other electrics, bilge pumps, etc.,) from a horizontal scale model mill steam engine (Stuart Turner No. 9) and feedwater supplied by a steam powered (Southworth Engines) duplex boiler feed pump. The feed pump is controlled by my own design of float controller in a small auxiliary vessel piped into boiler (similar to the principle of a toilet cistern water level control). All the engines have condensers and feed back to a water tank, which supplies the boiler feed pump forming a closed feedwater system. The boiler has been built to my design based on a scotch marine type with "Inglis" modification, essentially a return tube boiler with an additional return path, providing a 3-pass passage through the boiler for the flue gas, it is heated with a blowlamp run on liquid petroleum gas (LPG - propane). The boiler runs between 100 and 120 psi (The main part of the boiler is about 10 inches long by 7 inches diameter and there is a single furnace tube, 2 inches diameter - the main burner blowlamp is about 1.25 inches diameter).

The flow of LPG gas (at about 30psi) is controlled by a gas pressure controller that I have cobbled together for the boiler blowlamp (a standard Sievert/Primus No. 2942 rated at 15.5 kW, 1200 gms/hour propane gas, at 2 bar (26 kW, 2000 gms/hour at 4 bar), which is run between 2 and 4 bar mainly dependent on the electrical loading on the steam driven alternator). The controller consists of a metal bellows sealed gas valve assembly with the control screw removed and replaced by a diaphragm unit (taken from a pressure controlled electrical switch) to operate the gas valve. The sealed pressure side of the diaphragm unit is connected to the boiler and the boiler pressure pushes against the pressure tight diaphragm to operate a short rod on the atmospheric side (which formerly operated the switch) that pushes shut the gas valve as boiler pressure rises. There is a small blowlamp (a standard Bullfinch 1075 Btu/0.32 kW burner) connected directly to the gas supply to act as a pilot lamp.

You can see the pictures of my battleship, its steam plant and me at this website:
http://groups.msn.com/TELsGlobalModelEngineering/shoebox.msnw
under "Jack Rose Battleship" and "Rogue's Gallery".

I have, however, a major problem in that I currently only have one triple and need a second (I have the condenser for it), the person who was going to make it is no longer able to. Could anyone else who may be able to help please contact me.

Many thanks
Jack Rose (Lt.Cdr. (Submarines) RN retired), Brighton
http://www.steamboat.org.uk/hotair/hottopic.asp?view=%201,2,3,9,new,req&expand=yes&topic=40

[ROSYTH]

I have been in touch with the Museum and having had a reply from them as acknowledgement I am awaiting further info. I have also asked if they have a catalogue of exhibits on the Marine Engine side of things and gave them my name and address etc in case they should decide to put something in the post...........we shall see though........

If any other info arrives I will post it as usual for all to see.

Cheers

Thanks for that bit of info you had Martin, as you say the link is dead now but it might be worth following up from the SBA Forum link etc...........what say you?

[Steamer]

Rosyth,

I spoke to the maker of that engine a few years ago via email.  He's an elderly German man, He has a model of the Titanics engine of similar size.  He was frustraited with Harland and Wolf as they wouldn't give him the engine prints.   His research suggested that the Titanic engine had tailrods, so he built it that way, but when video of the wreck became so famous, he was angry to find that Titanic did not carry tailrods.

 The engine in the video is as discussed in the book "Steam At Sea" my study is a disaster at the moment and I can't put my hand on the my copy of the book, but it was one of the largest marine recip steam plants ever built....that is a model of it.   I have more pictures of it, but needless to say, it ALL is functional....gauges too.  The video doesn't even begin to do it justice

That steeple cylinder arrangement seems odd, but that is exactly how the original was built.

Dave

[Steamer]

Ahhhhh


found the pictures that he sent me of both plants

His name is Karl     I am leaving his last name off, as I have not asked for his permission...as I remember he is a rather quiet man,and I don't know how private he wishes to be.  If you guys think I am off base here, say so, as his skill is quite amazing and he should get the accolades.   However, as the video was evidently taken in a museum, I am afraid the worse has happened....in which case it probably doesn't matter anymore......

The big model engine in the video is from the steamship "Deutschland"



I have pictures of the Titanic engine and an interesting cut-away of the Salvage Tug "Jjissel" with dual triples of the same level of quality.

As time permits I can post some more pictures.........

Dave

[Martin (Admin)]

                                    

[Steamer]

Hey Barry and Greg....you'll notice the fresh water evaporators front and center?
Those are the ones I was talking about.....

Dave

[gondolier88]

Got you Dave, cheers.

Greg

[ROSYTH]

Thanks for the pm Dave, appreciated.

I will do a little chasing and see what happens, but as you say if its now in the Museum.......................!!!!!!! I will find out though for sure.

What a craftsman, those images you posted make it seem more detailed than i remember in the video.

A WORK OF ART.

Thanks Dave

Cliff

[Steamer]

Maybe this weekend all with the pictures.....a lot going on at the moment

Do let me know Cliff, and your welcome, it's Karls masterpiece and it should be seen by all.

Dave

[dave301bounty]

When the Mersey Dock board disposed of their Massive Leviathan suction dredger .i was with the crowd who shut her down for her trip to Holland ,her pumps were powered by huge triple ex ,a lot on the lines of these .A Local photo person took pics ,as they were so impressive .and you must see the Beauty of these steam wonders .I am lucky to have worked on the real things ,on a ship . fantastic to whoever put these on .well done .nice to see a bit of real /common coming thro .

[Steamer]

Apparently he has some of his work on the web already.....so I don't feel obliged to withhold anymore

http://titanic-model.com/db/db-03/hahn.html

Karl Friedric Pohlmann....here's a link to the Titanic's engine model.   I have pictures of this also.

Dave

[dave301bounty]

Steamer ,many thanks . just looked at the pics you posted .Fantastic .

[Steamer]

Your welcome Dave!

[Steamer]

OK Here is some more pictures of the Deutchland and the tug Jissel in 1/25th scale....this takes a while to do.

















I still have pictures of the Titanic's Engine to scan....

Dave

[Martin (Admin)]

I've had a reply from "Jack"!  Result!!

Dear Martin
If you go to:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/commander-popeye
you can see all my photos. A selection of photos of the Yamato and its steam plant are in the photo set called "Jack Rose Boats and Train", at the end of the list of sets. I have many more on my computer, but these provide a good summary and explanation of what each picture shows.
Regards
Jack Rose


http://www.flickr.com/photos/commander-popeye