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Edward Pinniger

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I'm sure others have thought of this idea before, but I don't think I've ever seen it demonstrated online  - so thought it might be worth posting. It's a very quick + simple way to economise on the cost of radio equipment and speed controllers for your models by making the receiver and ESC into a self-contained unit (more or less) which can be switched from one model to another almost as easily as changing batteries.



The receiver and electronic speed controller, along with on/off switch, are attached to a backing plate (this one is styrene plastic, plywood would work just as well) with strong double-sided sticky tape. The ESC is permanently plugged into one channel of the RX, the other channel (steering) has an extension cable into which the rudder servo's cable is plugged when the system is installed in the model.

The ESC's battery cables (red + black) are attached to a Tamiya-type connector as usual (the fuse isn't necessary but is a worthwhile safeguard). The ESC motor cables (blue + yellow) are also attached to a Tamiya connector. Each model set up to use this removable radio has its motor(s) wired up to a (female) Tamiya connector.

The ESC shown is the basic Viper Marine 15 but you can use any type, depending on the type of model you want to run; also a 2.4ghz digital radio could be used just as easily as the 27mhz crystal type shown.

To install the system in a model, just plug in the battery, motor and rudder servo connections - it can be unplugged and installed in another model just as quickly. The system can just as easily be set up to use a radio with 3 or more channels - you just need more servo extension cables. The one thing I haven't sorted out is the radio aerial (which needs to be raised as high above the waterline as possible). I'll probably make this removable as well, with an aerial wire permanently installed on each model and connected to the removable RX using a co-ax/microphone-type pin connector.

Here you can see the system installed in one model



and another - it took under a minute to swap it over.



With this setup, a couple of radios and ESCs (along with a set of spare crystals for each frequency, if you're using crystal rather than 2.4ghz radios) will be sufficient for as many models as you like (theoretically you only need one, but having two allows a friend/fellow club member to operate another of your models at the same time, and also allows you to use a second model as a "rescue boat").


The system does have some issues and drawbacks, such as:

- Models needs to be set up to use the system, with a Tamiya connector for the motors, a permanently installed radio aerial with connector (as mentioned) and an easily accessible free space in the hull for the radio/ESC unit. Easy access to the hull interior is necessary (so it isn't suitable for models where the scale design means only small access hatches are practical)

- The radio unit isn't secured inside the hull - as it weighs very little, this shouldn't cause stability problems for the average scale R/C boat with a heavy battery and/or ballast, but it may be a problem for lighter models. Velcro-type attachment pads for the backing plate could be a solution to this.

- The system can only be installed in models for which the ESC is suitable. Hence, if all of your model boats have completely different ESC requirements (e.g you have a tug, non-scale fast electric speedboat, scale fast launch/MTB, and a larger, slower scale vessel such as a warship or trawler) it isn't much use.

All the same, it seems to be a very good way to cut down on the cost of radio gear for models without much added inconvenience. I'm planning to use this setup (with two 2-channel 27mhz units and one 4-channel 2.4ghz) for all my current and future R/C boats, other than the few that need a more powerful ESC (and sailing models that don't need one at all!)
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Re: Interchangeable radio/ESC unit (one radio for multiple models)
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2010, 05:36:21 pm »

Or you can pay through the nose for one of these lol

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Re: Interchangeable radio/ESC unit (one radio for multiple models)
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2010, 05:50:41 pm »

Being a numb nut myself I think I can see one problem, what is to stop you, in the heat of the moment, plugging the battery and the motors into the wrong connection ?
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Re: Interchangeable radio/ESC unit (one radio for multiple models)
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2010, 06:00:37 pm »

Would have been wiser to put the motor connectrin the other way round, making it nigh on impossible to get them wrong way round
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Re: Interchangeable radio/ESC unit (one radio for multiple models)
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2010, 06:26:16 pm »

Would have been wiser to put the motor connectrin the other way round, making it nigh on impossible to get them wrong way round

Good idea... wish I'd thought of this earlier! It'll be an easy job to switch the connectors round, so far I've only set up two boats to use this system anyway.
Don't know what would happen if you plugged them in the wrong way round, but I can't imagine it would do the ESC much good!

I did think of using a different system for the motor connection (bullet connectors or electrical connector boxes) to avoid problems like this, but neither of these are as quick and easy to use as the Tamiya type and aren't really designed to be regularly unplugged.
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Re: Interchangeable radio/ESC unit (one radio for multiple models)
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2010, 06:37:32 pm »

If the "motor out" connection from the ESC is the same type that is on the end of the battery lead, and the motor leads have the same type of connector as the "battery in" of the ESC, there should be no problem.  The only mistakes available then are to connect the ESC's battery in to motor out, in which case nothing happens, and/or connecting the battery direct to the motor, in which case you test battery and motor.  Sorting a reverse connected motor takes a bit longer.
Plugging battery into the motor connections lets out the magic smoke very rapidly.
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Re: Interchangeable radio/ESC unit (one radio for multiple models)
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2010, 08:35:28 pm »

think its safer to set a model up with specific esc to model , and if you need to swap just the receiver from model to model ! personally ive changed over to a plannet t5 2.4ghz radio , where i now install my models with all the radio inc the rx & just use one transmitter !  remembering that the more often you take the plugs in & out of anywhere the more likely it will fail !
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Re: Interchangeable radio/ESC unit (one radio for multiple models)
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2010, 03:48:14 pm »

think its safer to set a model up with specific esc to model , and if you need to swap just the receiver from model to model ! personally ive changed over to a plannet t5 2.4ghz radio , where i now install my models with all the radio inc the rx & just use one transmitter !  remembering that the more often you take the plugs in & out of anywhere the more likely it will fail !

This is why I used Tamiya connectors for both the battery and motor connections, as these can be connected and disconnected indefinitely without any danger of breaking leads or wearing out the connectors. I also used an extension lead for the rudder servo cable, so nothing needs to be directly unplugged from the RX. With this setup, I can't see there being any danger of damaging the components providing you turn everything off before unplugging or connecting the RX/ESC unit.

I agree it isn't much use if all your boats have different ESC requirements, but at least 75% of mine (both built, in progress and planned for the future) are slow scale types in the 2-3ft size range and will run fine with a basic Mtronics 15 ESC.
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Re: Interchangeable radio/ESC unit (one radio for multiple models)
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2010, 04:22:41 pm »

A friend in my previous club had this idea and made a beautiful module which he could swap easily between his models. Unforunately on its first outing in the first model, it sank in 16feet of water (didn't it Wombat :}).


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Re: Interchangeable radio/ESC unit (one radio for multiple models)
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2010, 04:35:16 pm »

Being a numb nut myself I think I can see one problem, what is to stop you, in the heat of the moment, plugging the battery and the motors into the wrong connection ?

I thought this was a sedate hobby. I have never come across a situation where i think i would have to strip out the reciever/speed controller "in the heat of the moment", you must be a member of a pretty "racy" boat club.
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Re: Interchangeable radio/ESC unit (one radio for multiple models)
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2010, 05:04:23 pm »

I thought this was a sedate hobby. I have never come across a situation where i think i would have to strip out the reciever/speed controller "in the heat of the moment", you must be a member of a pretty "racy" boat club.
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No, not strip out but put in, you know, the excitement of fitting in as much sailing before it rains again.

Yes our club is pretty racy as you put it.

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Re: Interchangeable radio/ESC unit (one radio for multiple models)
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2010, 10:25:04 pm »



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