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Re: Pimp my Microcosm...
« Reply #100 on: August 21, 2024, 07:24:49 pm »

Glad to hear the engines is fine, and no signs of wear, thats really good. Hopefully the noise will be an easy fix by lubing the propshaft or swapping the  joint - you could try using some silicone tube instead of the universal coupling to see if the UJ is the problem.
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Re: Pimp my Microcosm...
« Reply #101 on: August 21, 2024, 08:47:54 pm »

Glad to hear the engines is fine, and no signs of wear, thats really good. Hopefully the noise will be an easy fix by lubing the propshaft or swapping the  joint - you could try using some silicone tube instead of the universal coupling to see if the UJ is the problem.

Yeah, that was a big relief...

I don't know yet what is the issue with the shaft arrangement. The universal joints have been enclosed with silicone tubing, and filled with grease, so I would expect them to be quiet.
Trouble is that I can't run the engine with the boat opened up, so it's hard to figure out what the trouble will be.

But one day, I'm sure I will be able to fix it... :D

EDIT: I just THOUGHT I had those joints enclosed and filled with grease, but... I didn't. Now that was an easy troubleshoot and an easy fix...
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Re: Pimp my Microcosm...
« Reply #102 on: October 23, 2024, 06:30:44 pm »

Meanwhile...

Due to work and other stuff (weekly change from nightshift to day for 8 weeks wreaks havoc on a persons desire to tinker) the boat has been shelved for 2 months, but today was a nice day. With only a simple charge of the RX batt and a fill of the feedwater tank and the wickfeed oiler and no other checks, the boat was launched, steam was raised and off she went...

70 minutes of full autonomic operation later the "fuel counter" (variable timer that runs faster or slower with the throttle) indicated that the gas tank would be empty soon, which indeed was the case within 5 minutes after that.
Gas consumption 65 grammes, water consumption about 50 ml (all of which contained in the oily water receptacle), and a constant boiler level.
Fuel tank heating kept the tank at a nice 19~20 degC (it was about 11 deg C outside) so sufficient fuel pressure from full to empty.

Runtime counter is at 82 hrs 40 minutes now, I guess she's fully broken in by now :D

Basically "as reliable and simple to operate as an electric" but much more fun :D

There should b some videos, if I can get them, I'll upload to YT and post.
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Re: Pimp my Microcosm...
« Reply #103 on: October 24, 2024, 03:04:29 pm »


There should b some videos, if I can get them, I'll upload to YT and post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV3ScOJ5ILI
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Re: Pimp my Microcosm...
« Reply #104 on: November 26, 2024, 09:07:41 am »

These engines are way more durable than their reputation (in other forums they are at times put down as "cheap chinese crap"), because with, as far as the engine itself is concerned, ONLY the things done as described in post #5 (which were if anything, rectifications of QC issues rather than "repairs") the engine has done a whopping 90 running hours since its first run on June 6th 2023, 90 hours with zero malfunctions on the mechanical parts, and zero noticable wear or deterioration.

It's a shame they seem to be out of production.
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Re: Pimp my Microcosm...
« Reply #105 on: November 26, 2024, 11:24:09 am »

Bonjour,

I have a M29 steam engine : https://youtu.be/TO16806-3pM which goes on existing but with accessories (flyball, pump). which is similar to yours.

What would you think of this one : https://youtu.be/NDDoZdUhszY ?

https://www.okmomodel.com/okmo-mini-retro-vertical-double-cylinder-reciprocating-double-acting-steam-engine-model-toys-with-speed-reducerm30m30b-p5456987.html

I don't use my machines a lot and have had yet no issue at all with them. Jin sent me a water level to replace the one broken when delivered without any question  :-))   

My only concern would be that I find that his prices are no longer "cheap" and almost similar to the ones of my French manufacturer https://www.jmc-vapeur.fr/ with whom it is very easy to share.
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Re: Pimp my Microcosm...
« Reply #106 on: November 26, 2024, 11:52:45 am »

My only concern would be that I find that his prices are no longer "cheap" and almost similar to the ones of my French manufacturer https://www.jmc-vapeur.fr/ with whom it is very easy to share.
Chinese can deliver quality, but like everything in life, for quality you pay more. So far, with only the minor ans easily solved issue of in my case the slidervalves, if I compare the M30 which costs 500 dollar, with the closest Regner machine, which would IMHO be the Letho 2 LETO 2 Zylinder Dampfmaschine | REGNER, then I'd say the Microcosm is only 60% of the price while looking a fair bit prettier... The Regner, IMHO, LOOKS "cheap" (albeit absolutely well made, external appearance looks like corners were cut  in order to keep price reasonable).But I do not know the prices (or looks, or quality) of French steam engines...
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Re: Pimp my Microcosm...
« Reply #107 on: November 26, 2024, 01:16:15 pm »

Bonjour,

The Netherlands are not so far from France  ok2

I hope these examples will give you the envy to watch his site and I would like to point out that I am not a JMC reseller  :}

Example of 1 cm3: https://youtu.be/x_lv2uXhsto

Example of 2 cm3 steam plant : https://youtu.be/wJym95xNLf8

Example of 3 cm3 : https://youtu.be/6drdmVgoJFQ

Example of 5 cm3 : https://youtu.be/JBwO-jLAfnI

Example of 7,5 cm3 steam plant : https://youtu.be/qk74P2k8W2o

Example of 8 cm3 steam plant : https://youtu.be/NOIW4ucypXw

Example of 8,5 cm3 with pump : https://youtu.be/TnNkqDPZnWw

Example of compound : https://youtu.be/8tpREH2SVi0

Example of gas regulators : https://youtu.be/V8ybmqgcNak

Example of donkey pump (petit cheval) : https://youtu.be/hSwG2p45iGY
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Re: Pimp my Microcosm...
« Reply #108 on: November 26, 2024, 03:31:18 pm »

I have to admit, those are really beautiful engines... They look nothing like Regner, they absolutely have the same style as Jin's engines.

Still a fair bit more expensive than Microcosm, but not prohibitively more expensive, I have to admit that.
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Re: Pimp my Microcosm...
« Reply #109 on: November 26, 2024, 05:52:38 pm »

The difference between both :
- If you have a problem with a JMC engine , you can fix it , get repaired or have spare parts.
   With Microcosm , you change the complete engine. Not easy to fix whenever you can open it.


Some friends came to me with their  plants because they could not perform as they thought >>> engine oversized with the boiler or vice versa.
I think that I have one of these engines... somewhere in my mess ...  ok2 :o

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Re: Pimp my Microcosm...
« Reply #110 on: November 26, 2024, 06:00:47 pm »

I can't confirm or deny.
As far as I can tell, the Microcosm also just comes apart when you turn the bolts counterclockwise, just like any other machine I've worked on...

Ordering parts might be an issue with Jin, then again, I don't really think I'm going to need any.
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Re: Pimp my Microcosm...
« Reply #111 on: November 26, 2024, 07:30:03 pm »

Bonjour,
Far be it from me to oppose one manufacturer to another, I just wanted to show that there is at least one alternative to Regner which has changed owner/manager in Europe.

If you have read this topic, you will notice that JMC helped me twice within a week :
https://www.officeofsteamforum.com/technical-tips-builds-and-help/empty-your-boilers-after-use!/  :-))
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Re: Pimp my Microcosm...
« Reply #112 on: December 09, 2024, 07:48:28 pm »

Meanwhile...


in this thread: https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,70510.0.html I described the modification from gas phase feed to liquid phase feed.

This mod allowed more fuel to the boiler, and since back then when the steamplant was initially commissioned, the throttle valve was basically adjusted to what the burner could deliver, it stood to reason that this adjustment also was reviewed.

Alas, more fire, more steam to the engine, what is not to like?

Well, this: it turned out that the oil separator, which could keep up in the previous situation, now could not anymore. Oil passed the separator and ended up in the condensat return. Dammit!



This beautiful piece of equipment is the oil separator. It is a very simple drum, with exhaust steam inlet, and clean steam outlet on the top. The idea is that oil and emulsified droplets of condensate fall to the bottom, and clean steam escapes. Right side is dirty steam in, left side is the clean steam out. In the background the riserpipe that discharges the collected crud.
Back before the mod, this would work until full throttle, and after the mod, it still worked flawless up to about 75% throttle (basically equivalent to the pre-mod full throttle).


What was happening? The only thing I could think of, was that higher throughput, would also increase the velocity of the dirty steam into the separator.
This steam is jetting vertically downwards, and down there at the bottom is a puddle of crud. Increased velocity could mean that the incoming steam would whip that puddle into a froth, throwing droplets around, and thse droplets could then be "sucked up" by the equally increased velocity with which the (now not so) clean steam leaves the separator.

My solution:

I soldered a 5 mm ID tube at the bottom of the inlet connection. This tube has an open end, but is measured to exactly end up at the bottom of the separator vessel, so practically, this end is closed off. Mind you, NOT "sealed off", meaning any liquid (oil or emulsified water) inside that inlet diverter pipe can flow out through the seams, but steam won't blow into the puddle of crud and whip it up.
In the side, 5 holes 2 mm crossection are drilled, and they are indexed such that the steam in the separatorvessel gets a counterclockwise rotation. This rotation should help any droplet of liquid to find the outer wall, cling to it and flow down. The 5 holes should be sufficient to reduce steam velocity, in order to reduce/eliminate any possible frothing.
So now we have a (relatively slowly) rotating body of steam in the separator vessel, centrifuging out any droplets, the liquid flinging to the wall and flowing down, clean and moisture free steam rising to the top of the vessel and escaping to the condenser. Or at least, that is the expectation.

I fired up the boiler, and once hot, set the throttle to full speed and left it running for a full tank of fuel.

What I noticed was that initially there was a bit of turbidity of the condensate (which of course was not the funniest of observations, to put it mildly), but this seemed to clear within 5 minutes. I think I was looking at "old oil" in the condenser left there by previous sessions.
 
Also, I had the clear impression that the amount of liquid discharged by the separator was less than usual, and also the properties of that effluent had changed: it was oil and water like before, but previously, that water was very strongly emulsified, now it appeared much clearer. I cannot explain the reduction in volume, but I think the reduced emulsifying is due to the reduction in velocities inside the separator vessel.

All in all, I'm happy...

I've got more power, and I can practically use it now too.

EDIT: final report, I checked the water in the Hotwell, and found an ever so slight turbidity, barely visible. I think this was residual from the dirty shot of water in the first 5 minutes, and should not return anymore. It was anyway so minor that I don't think this will cause any problems.
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Re: Pimp my Microcosm...
« Reply #113 on: December 09, 2024, 08:52:48 pm »

Great report, thank you for sharing your continued development of your steam plant, there is a lot there for us all to learn from and adapt for our own steam plants.
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Re: Pimp my Microcosm...
« Reply #114 on: December 09, 2024, 08:59:38 pm »

I really hope it helps people to think outside the box.
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Re: Pimp my Microcosm...
« Reply #115 on: December 10, 2024, 02:02:12 pm »

Because single tests never are conclusive, I tested again this morning...

Conditions:
Boiler water as left in the boiler yesterday.
Hotwell emptied and refilled with destilled water 2 ppm TDS
65 grammes of gas, should allow for 34 minutes of wide open runtime after raising steam.
During this time, the contents of the hotwell are pumped in full approx 3 times through the boiler, meaning that the entire hotwell after the test is condnsate, no original destilled water present anymore.

Started, ran until low fuel alarm, and checked the hotwell contents afterwards:

Water is as clear as can be.

Tested the water:

Previous to the fuel mod and resulting increase in power, this value usually was between 6 and 8 ppm after a full run, results varying a bit with how much full ahead was used.


The reduction in separator effluent, as well as its change in appearance, seems to be consistent, which leads me to review my previous belief that the emulsion and condensation was formed in the engine (my assumption was that heatloss in the engine, as well as the steam delivering power to the pistons would cause some condensation, and the mechanical action of wildly moving pistons would create the emulsion).
It seems, that the conditions previously in the separator were cause of at least in part, the formation of emulsion, as well as increase in condensation.
I think the high velocity steam hitting a static liquid surface caused both strong emulsification as well as additional condensation.

I would have to measure more precise, but I have the feeling that the hotwell is dropping less in level than previously, which would mean that ther is ACTUALLY less condensation going on, and the difference is being passed on to the condenser.

This also made me take a look in the separator after the test. I cannot take pics through a 7 mm hole, but what I saw amazed me, literally, and I am not that quickly amazed: Where in the past, at the end of a run there would be some oily crud left in the separator, now I saw a squeaky clean vessel, the bottom oil free and mainly dry with a few droplets of water here and there.

Goes to show, that a LOT can be improved on conventional condenser/oilseparator equipment, with only minor modification work.
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Re: Pimp my Microcosm...
« Reply #116 on: December 13, 2024, 05:00:47 am »


Runtime counter is at 82 hrs 40 minutes now, I guess she's fully broken in by now :D


Daaaang....


Yesterday passed 102 runhours... 20 hrs in 1,5 month...
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